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yeah i've scratched my head over those

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uh we just had peniston on the show last

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week or the week before

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uh that is similar but everybody at

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randallshim almost had their own

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yeah and then that's what you start

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looking at why did they come three

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nights in a row

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i mean this is not a random event this

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is a planned event that's where they had

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forward-based nuclear weapons and that

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was when poland had gone

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poland had uh um the russians have put

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that same month they were going to

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reinvent invent poland because

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of uh what's that group that that took

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uh labor people and they were gonna they

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were gonna separate

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and russia was going to take it back

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same as the nimitz thing they were

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coming repeatedly and

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that that's planned to get it

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having different experiences the same

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in the zendra when paula harris and

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these other seven people i interviewed

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and i said so what did you see

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oh i saw this 10-foot guy had long hair

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uh tight thing on and then you ask him

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well then paula harris here's this guy

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person is getting a message

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all of them had a different experience

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completely different they were all it

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was like he was talking to seven people

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things and you see that thing

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where it's the old thing the time in

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space starts to fall apart

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the fact that that that um you know you

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can have separate events that and you

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hear this in the spirit world with

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near-death experience people

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where they'll say that somebody's

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talking to a hundred people at the same

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time

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that you can communicate this thing and

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that even like my friend when he had

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this experience with with his wife on

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the on the

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where they had two different experiences

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saw two different things and it so

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that's the whole thing is

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it's part that you're you're manifesting

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you people think

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there's objects out there that are doing

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things to us that we're just random

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biological robots in a meaningless

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universe people got to realize we are

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part of the experience

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and there may not be any out there out

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there in fact some of the

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the messages you get it's all within us

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there's no out there out there it's all

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within us where is the world

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even you know this this whole concept

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that it may just be the one electron it

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may just be one thing

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people who got out of the illusion

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the 11th dimension or whatever they're

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the story has developed from going to

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one step ahead of where we are let's uh

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take a break but i'm going to ask you to

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go into overtime you're not going

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anywhere grant so you just stay right

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our guest tonight grant cameron this is

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tonight grant cameron

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going into overtime you expected that

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what's wrong got to say and he comes

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crooks and worse and

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bubbles they're coming back and then of

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bubbles coming up and and it's just like

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and the other thing

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that was interesting about the videos

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the flear and all the others

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was that there was this leak you know

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about the melon leak right

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there the chris mellon's website this

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whole thing twitter jake

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and so i had the guy the guy who

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actually i think put the

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the um wilson document and the alien

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autopsy document on the internet

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was a guy and i once did describe who

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the guy was uh

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he doesn't deal with me anymore but um i

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showed him this

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there was there's the packaging there

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was the videos

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on melon's website they showed the

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videos they showed the packaging slip

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and it had little zondo and it had melon

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now we know that melon was the guy that

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got it in the parking lot and brought it

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across whatever

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and there was this d essex now i know

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her name it was a woman

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from the uh public affairs and my friend

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had a guy in the pentagon and i said

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can you find out who this d essex is and

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um

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the next morning he phones you up he

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says we gotta direct it my guy in the

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pentagon says it's this woman i

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and her name is it's dsx camera her

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first name was but anyway

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uh so you can see this this uh he said

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and she would be in the office that

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would be

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involved if they were gonna make some

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sort of public disclosure so

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it's coming out of public affairs which

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is exactly the same office that

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bill coleman with colonel coleman was in

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who released the holloman air force base

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film

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to uh emeniger and emanager said they

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went into the pentagon

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they did not sign in at the pentagon

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they walked in there and the public

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affairs guy said this is terrible

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you're you're ruining it for everybody

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man you guys start talking about ufos

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and we the phone comes off the hook

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and then sandler says your guys invited

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us here what are you talking about

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and that was told they actually signed a

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contract in with with the pentagon

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there was a straight film contract and

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so you see this

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again it's this this release and and the

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beings

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are allowing themselves to be filmed

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they they

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are showing up as different things and

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they're just doing to me it's like a

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game show where they say

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do this you know flip this so that they

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know it's beyond

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an ordinary uh craft do something really

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weird so they can look at it

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and uh i believe that the videos are

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real they may be bigger but what you see

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with the with the flare was

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they dropped it already they dropped it

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in 2007

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to the german production company they

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were trying to get it out then they

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wanted it

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and it didn't work out whatever this

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scam was that they were going to do

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they were going to drop it in 2007 it

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didn't work so now they drop it again in

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in 2017

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with the new york times so it's the same

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game there they've got the same films

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and they they run the same operation

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they've been running it since the 1950s

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when disney did the uh the was offered

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all the films and

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and according to the the the animator

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whose name escapes me um he was one of

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the nine animators for disney he tells

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the story at the mufon conference

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that disney was told to do a documentary

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and he was given all these films and

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they pulled all the films on him as well

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and and then later um mike maloney

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report

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a film guy from great britain says the

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fact that that same animator from disney

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showed him the alien autopsy video in

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the 1970s

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and that it had a live alien not just

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the alien autopsy had the live alien in

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there and he said it was the same film

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as they were showing i i saw it and it

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if it did it was

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faked it was really good so you see this

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thing with the films

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but the films always sort of get pulled

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back this time they left the film out

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but again they said there's gonna be 200

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videos

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and some were up very close and they

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just put it out

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and leave it deny it same as they did

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with the with the names

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you know the new york times was told it

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was a advanced aerospace

402
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was the washington post the same morning

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went with the story it was advanced

404
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aviation

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they put out two different names caused

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the confusion and

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then said that the videos aren't real we

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didn't release them

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then we did release them and it's this

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game where nobody knows it's like

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shifting sand all the time

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and it works to their advantage they're

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doing this i guarantee they're doing

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this

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gradual acclimatization and it's not the

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government doing it because

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there are people in the government who

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are believing demons and that this is

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all demons and they're going to stop it

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it's people in the government who are

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very sympathetic

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so what happens in my this is just my

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personal opinion

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what happens is tom delonge goes to

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lockheed lockheed sets him up with all

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these people go to the pentagon

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and he meets these two intelligence guys

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he goes to nasa he picks up a guy there

429
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nassau sends them to ames they send them

430
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to the general then the general starts

431
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giving them all these people

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and um that you you have this

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situation where

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he puts out the first book in 2016 in

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april

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semivan finds out about it and they have

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the meeting in in

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in san diego in the hotel room you know

439
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the story with his

440
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agents and they said where did you get

441
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all this stuff from then semi

442
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then semi-van tells green green goes to

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put off

444
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the team and and that's how they

445
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assemble all this stuff

446
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because that's where the money is that's

447
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where the information is flowing but

448
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it's not

449
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government it's people in the government

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and then if you hear what tom delonge

451
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says the whole thing about louis

452
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alexander

453
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he says quote i hired him away in one of

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the interviews i still can't find whose

455
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interview

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he says i knew about the guy and they

457
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said you will never release this guy's

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name

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and they call uh they um uh they they

460
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used

461
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an an acronym for alexander but they

462
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were talking to elizondo

463
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and he said i hired him away so elizondo

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is sympathetic he's in there he's about

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to retire

466
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and put off is working for elizondo so

467
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put off goes in and says oh would you

468
00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:28,079
like to join tom delong he's going to

469
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pay you this much money

470
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whatever and so he retires he's probably

471
00:15:34,230 --> 00:15:32,320
going to retire anyway

472
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he retires he goes out and that's how

473
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they get all these people together but

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it's not government

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it's people in the government who want

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the story the same as bill moore when he

477
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was contacted

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seven days after the the roswell book

479
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which sold like a million copies

480
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in 1980 when roswell became famous

481
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nobody knew what roswell was before he

482
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put out that book

483
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they came and said your only guy knows

484
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what you're talking about we're from the

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government we'd like to help get this

486
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story out and these are the same thing

487
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it's like put off and it's

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john alexander it's all these people and

489
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they were feeding material as well

490
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but it's people sympathetic inside the

491
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government so you have these the people

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that don't want it out the people that

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want it out

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and these people figure a way to get

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this material out so they're

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they're sort of like the the good guys

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in the government who

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are frustrated and that's what i would

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say about green and

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hell put off they have probably the

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longest held top secret sa clearances in

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the united states of america they've had

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them since 1970 since remote viewing so

504
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they've had these

505
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things and these guys are old guys

506
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they're in like 80 or more

507
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whatever they don't need the money

508
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they're just trying to figure it out

509
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they've been working on it their whole

510
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life

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just like you and i they're they're down

512
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the rabbit hole and they can't get out

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gee so it's uh not to put words in your

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mouth

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but you feel that the flea or the tic

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tac video

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is not of this earth

518
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oh absolutely no okay all right uh

519
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let's uh let's go to gimbal when you

520
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look at the gimbal footage

521
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what do you see well i just see another

522
00:16:58,710 --> 00:16:57,440
release i see the release of and this is

523
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i think i have found

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off the east coast of the united states

525
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and there's this

526
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the story behind it so it's it's another

527
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:06,000
video that they have

528
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:07,439
approved that we're going to release

529
00:17:10,949 --> 00:17:09,520
this one it's not close up it's like the

530
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:10,959
bob emeneger thing

531
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it has plausible liability like the bob

532
00:17:15,510 --> 00:17:14,400
andrew once said this is light coming

533
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over the mountainside

534
00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:17,199
coming in in daylight but it's coming

535
00:17:20,470 --> 00:17:19,039
over the mountainside so it's not up

536
00:17:21,429 --> 00:17:20,480
close that's a bump said when it gets up

537
00:17:23,270 --> 00:17:21,439
close when the aliens

538
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:23,280
actually land and the door opens up and

539
00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:24,640
the aliens get out now that you're not

540
00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:25,199
going to see

541
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:26,640
same thing here so they may have been

542
00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:28,240
out parts of the video they didn't so

543
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:29,440
it's still plausible in that building

544
00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:30,880
you see it's been years

545
00:17:34,789 --> 00:17:33,200
and except for the the navy coming out

546
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and saying these are real videos

547
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:37,039
everybody still goes like you know

548
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:38,799
there's still this denial no it's not

549
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uh you know and it's this question mark

550
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:41,840
thing

551
00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:43,440
where you can't really say it's it's

552
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:45,520
it's definitely alien

553
00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:46,799
because it's sort of like has this

554
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:48,559
plausible liability thing so that's what

555
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:49,360
they're going to use they're not going

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to use a close-up one

557
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they're going to use one that can be

558
00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:54,799
questioned and the skeptics can still

559
00:17:58,789 --> 00:17:58,400
walk away from and uh so you think that

560
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the

561
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it's uh

562
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it's an et craft uh not of this earth

563
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yeah they're all

564
00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:07,280
all the films are going to be authentic

565
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:09,600
they're but they're films from the 200

566
00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:10,080
or

567
00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:11,840
they would have thousands of films

568
00:18:15,510 --> 00:18:13,120
thousands and thousands

569
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:15,520
even if you go back to the first

570
00:18:19,590 --> 00:18:16,320
sighting

571
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:19,600
kenneth arnold was given two eight by

572
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:20,320
eleven

573
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:23,039
photographs like gun camera footage of

574
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:24,000
flying saucers

575
00:18:27,990 --> 00:18:26,160
from the fourth air force now why are

576
00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:28,000
they giving him gun camera footage if

577
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:29,120
it's a big cover-up

578
00:18:32,470 --> 00:18:30,960
it's the same thing it's this leak it's

579
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:32,480
like you they want the story out but

580
00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:33,760
they don't want the story out and this

581
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:34,880
is plausible liability

582
00:18:39,029 --> 00:18:37,200
so these three films that they do are

583
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:39,039
films that are safe where

584
00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:41,039
it doesn't really blow the whole story

585
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,960
up it's just enough to put it out

586
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,559
like because that's what i heard i think

587
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,160
alexander said that we've got stuff

588
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,720
up close but that kind of stuff you may

589
00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:50,160
you may not see for a while

590
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:52,320
they're just doing this gradual thing

591
00:18:56,070 --> 00:18:54,160
let's see how the people can handle it

592
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:56,080
put it through hollywood make it

593
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:57,760
plausible put it through fictional

594
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:59,200
fictionalize the story

595
00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:01,039
so people don't know what the real story

596
00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:03,200
is like the et and close encounters

597
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:05,039
and put it out and just slowly move

598
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:06,799
people along because

599
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:08,640
i i guess they have the same fears that

600
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:10,400
if you if

601
00:19:13,110 --> 00:19:11,840
and i say the scientists are the guys

602
00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:13,120
that are going to be the worst hit

603
00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:14,400
people say it's the religion guys

604
00:19:17,669 --> 00:19:16,000
i say no it's a scientist when they

605
00:19:19,350 --> 00:19:17,679
suddenly realize that's not it

606
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:19,360
you know it's not a nuts and bolts

607
00:19:24,070 --> 00:19:22,160
universe it's very very weird universe

608
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:24,080
and you you're completely everything you

609
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,280
learned in science

610
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:27,200
sunday school is wrong you've wasted

611
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:28,320
your whole life at this thing

612
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:29,760
it's time to take the cyanide pill

613
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:31,520
because everything you you believed was

614
00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:32,080
wrong

615
00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:33,600
and and that's the guys i think they're

616
00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:34,880
gonna get they're the guys that are

617
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:35,760
fighting back

618
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:38,080
right uh so you have to protect those

619
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:39,679
guys

620
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:42,160
in in if you're the government to give

621
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:42,799
everybody an

622
00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:45,360
out so they they do these films where

623
00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:45,840
they

624
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:49,919
done it

625
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:51,520
right from the time of kenneth arnold

626
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:52,960
and they've done it over and over again

627
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:56,720
and uh go fast go fast

628
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:58,160
that's a very bad video it's almost like

629
00:20:01,909 --> 00:20:00,320
an orb video it's like zipping along the

630
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:01,919
ocean side but again i think it's it's a

631
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,960
legitimate film

632
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:04,400
but it really doesn't show too much and

633
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:05,760
that's what they really want they just

634
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,000
want

635
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:09,120
something that's kind of interesting

636
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:11,200
coming from the pentagon and if they

637
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,960
wanted you know to confirm it at the

638
00:20:15,990 --> 00:20:14,640
beginning they would have confirmed it

639
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:16,000
but they played that game they played

640
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:17,600
the game now we didn't release this

641
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,240
immediately

642
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:20,000
because the guy that he interviewed

643
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:21,919
hillary clinton when this thing happened

644
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:23,200
i went to him immediately because i knew

645
00:20:26,470 --> 00:20:24,480
him because i'd done the hillary clinton

646
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:26,480
book and then on clinton's in the ufos

647
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:28,080
and i went to him immediately and i said

648
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:29,840
get in line you're a reporter get in

649
00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:31,520
line file an fya immediately on these

650
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:32,640
films and stuff like that

651
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:34,000
and he got in line he still hasn't got

652
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:35,679
his foa back but

653
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:38,000
uh the they they knew everybody was

654
00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:39,440
going to come after it

655
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,280
they've delayed all the stuff all the

656
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:43,120
foias they haven't responded to all this

657
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:43,679
stuff

658
00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:46,559
and they're playing this sort of game of

659
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:48,240
gradual disclosure that's what i

660
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,600
i say it's this drip drip drip

661
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:51,679
disclosure thing that they have been

662
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:53,280
working on and they're really good at it

663
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,120
now they've learned how to do it

664
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:57,440
they've learned how to uh they've

665
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:58,640
actually moved the

666
00:21:02,149 --> 00:21:00,480
the whole thing and it may be that

667
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:02,159
disclosure has taken place

668
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:06,080
the disclosure is yes ufos are real

669
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:07,760
we've got these films and what did you

670
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,760
do to trump the navy goes in and briefs

671
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:10,720
trump and they say

672
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,799
look we've got these films we don't know

673
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,400
what these things are but they're not

674
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:16,960
russian they're not chinese and trump

675
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:17,919
who i've known

676
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,400
always would had no interest in ufos

677
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:22,240
when hillary was talking about ufos

678
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,919
they asked the the reporter from new

679
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,520
york times asked him he said oh i assume

680
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:27,200
you're talking about outer space i'm not

681
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,919
interested

682
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:28,960
i don't care what hillary is talking

683
00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:30,960
about and so he doesn't have and so he

684
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:31,919
sees the videos

685
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:33,440
and it's plausible deniability so he

686
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:34,720
looks at the videos he says those are

687
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:36,080
really interesting videos

688
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:37,679
i don't believe it and he doesn't

689
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,360
believe it he doesn't really believe it

690
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,520
and it gives you that plausible that out

691
00:21:45,029 --> 00:21:43,440
so it's it's evidence but it's not the

692
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:45,039
real evidence if they want the real

693
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:45,760
evidence

694
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:47,840
they're gonna pull out the flying saucer

695
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:49,039
they're gonna have the cameras they're

696
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:49,520
gonna have the

697
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:51,200
alien bodies and stuff that's not what

698
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:52,799
they're doing they're doing this gradual

699
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:53,280
thing

700
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,200
show them a video show them this video

701
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:57,120
almost like bigelow says get

702
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:58,159
confirmation

703
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:01,200
just confirm yes we have videos yes

704
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,159
they're real

705
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:04,240
yes this is ufos we're not saying it's

706
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:06,080
alien it's unidentified

707
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,919
and then you make the next steps down

708
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:09,440
the road as you gradually move this

709
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:09,760
thing

710
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:12,320
you can't throw it all out at the same

711
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,880
time

712
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,799
yeah what i find interesting about the

713
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,640
videos is if

714
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,799
if we didn't have david fravor if we

715
00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:20,320
didn't have all of the eyewitness

716
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,400
testimony to go along with this

717
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:25,120
or the powers of suggestion that these

718
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:26,559
are ufos

719
00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:29,440
if you just if you know if anybody just

720
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:31,200
sees these for what they are without the

721
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:32,400
backstory

722
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:35,039
i don't think anybody sees alien or e.t

723
00:22:38,310 --> 00:22:35,840
in them

724
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:38,320
it's the compelling eyewitness testimony

725
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:39,840
that goes along with it

726
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:42,400
that supports the videos you know what

727
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:43,440
i'm saying

728
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,679
and in fact it is just an ordinary

729
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:47,120
because there's a lot of videos out

730
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:48,000
there that

731
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,360
that are better than that but it always

732
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:51,440
has the same problem is it's like a

733
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:52,080
video

734
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:54,559
and that's why nimitz has been such a

735
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:55,360
big story because

736
00:22:58,390 --> 00:22:56,640
the americans have such a high

737
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:58,400
impression of military people and that's

738
00:23:02,230 --> 00:22:59,919
what jack ballet said it's a ufo

739
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,240
sighting 15 years ago let's get over it

740
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:04,320
and it is it's just a ufo sighting and

741
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:05,919
it's just a film it's not the end of the

742
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:06,799
world film

743
00:23:09,909 --> 00:23:08,559
it's just kind of interesting you got

744
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,919
these guys but because everybody has

745
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:11,600
such a high impression of the military

746
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:12,320
right everything

747
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,480
right same as the military when you had

748
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:16,720
the the 1976 and those documents were

749
00:23:19,110 --> 00:23:17,440
leaked too

750
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:19,120
the the norad documents remember bob

751
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,799
pratt national choir when i was

752
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,799
at that time the documents were there

753
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:24,559
inside when travis walton was abducted

754
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,440
in november

755
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,360
just before and just after they have all

756
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,799
the incursions inside the nuclear

757
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:29,919
weapons storage areas

758
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,120
at loring wordsmith minot maldstrom

759
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:35,120
all along the canadian border they have

760
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:36,720
all these things and what do the ufos do

761
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:37,440
they go in there

762
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:38,880
do they turn the lights off no they turn

763
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,559
the lights on and they're right there

764
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,919
and people are looking and it's like

765
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,760
they're sending a message and

766
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:45,440
the government leaked that stuff out too

767
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:47,440
the guy that that the iranian jet

768
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,320
fighter story

769
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,400
that major one that was leaked and the

770
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,320
guy who leaked it

771
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,760
the guy who did the report on the

772
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,440
iranian jet fighter story

773
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:57,440
was the guy who contacted bill moore he

774
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,480
was the second guy

775
00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:00,640
he was at offutt air force base and he

776
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,840
was dia

777
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:03,200
and people don't realize there's all

778
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,799
these stories behind stories when you

779
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:06,000
say well where'd these documents come

780
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:06,960
from it was oh they just

781
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,240
the government gave me it's like no when

782
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,640
you start looking it's this gradual leak

783
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,080
it's like move the story

784
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:14,240
and that's what the the the intelligence

785
00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:15,760
agencies are supposed to do

786
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,320
is to manage the story just move it so

787
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:20,320
it doesn't blow up in your face

788
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,840
walk along somebody like you're begging

789
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,760
for money and just be nice with them

790
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:25,279
and move them in the direction you want

791
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,720
to go and that's what they're doing so

792
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,919
this is a gradual disclosure you're

793
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:29,200
gonna i think you're gonna see more

794
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,080
videos

795
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:32,480
uh you're gonna see more uh stuff

796
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:33,200
dropped

797
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:34,480
because that's what i heard i told you i

798
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,679
had this producer when they were trying

799
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,520
to get me to do this thing on the avery

800
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:39,600
i've been contacted twice to do an

801
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,640
inside thing where

802
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:42,240
i'm going to be and they said you'd be

803
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,440
executive producer i said i'm a

804
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,480
researcher what do i

805
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,480
care about an executive producer i could

806
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:48,480
care less it means nothing to me

807
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:50,480
i i mean to figure out what this thing

808
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,799
is like because when i saw the ufo

809
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,159
as the second night i was looking at it

810
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:56,000
and going what's it doing that's like

811
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:57,520
it's just flying along and i'm going

812
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,200
and i knew it was for real and then all

813
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:01,120
i was interested in when nobody would

814
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:02,720
publish the manuscript when i told the

815
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:04,000
story of what happened in that small

816
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,480
town

817
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:06,240
the publisher said i don't care and i

818
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,840
went what and then i all i wanted to

819
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,679
know was what's going on so that's my

820
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,679
interest so when they came to me but the

821
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:13,440
guy told me that pandolfi was in there

822
00:25:15,990 --> 00:25:14,640
and semivan was in there

823
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:16,000
and they're promoting all sorts of

824
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:17,120
projects they're trying to get these

825
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,760
projects

826
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,840
to get this story out indirectly plus

827
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:21,039
you make a lot of money that's why i

828
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:21,440
think

829
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:23,360
part of the reason for using de long is

830
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,640
the long is isn't

831
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,720
not a really smart ufo guy either

832
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,080
doesn't know the intricate parts or

833
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:30,400
oh he's not a researcher he's a pr guy

834
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,600
he's that's why he

835
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,360
like when he talked about bob lazar he

836
00:25:37,110 --> 00:25:35,120
said i have the light lifetime rights to

837
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,120
bob lazar story to him it's and

838
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:39,760
and that was the i knew the guy that was

839
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:40,960
going to do the app for

840
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,559
for to the stars they're going to do the

841
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:44,080
app you know we have the cell phone

842
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,520
and you see a ufo and you put it in

843
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:47,120
there and and people said well he's

844
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:47,760
going to attract

845
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:48,640
the government they're going to put it

846
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,520
in the government the government's going

847
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:51,360
to track it may be true but i said

848
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,559
to me and when i heard that i go oh

849
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:54,159
that's what tom delong is doing so if

850
00:25:57,269 --> 00:25:55,600
travis walton somebody

851
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:57,279
you have a travis walton abduction and

852
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,799
that guy phones in the story to travis

853
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,000
walton on his cell phone

854
00:26:03,909 --> 00:26:02,880
travis tom delong now owns the story

855
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,919
he's going to control

856
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:05,840
all the big stories that are coming in

857
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,520
as they come in and he's just he's just

858
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,200
that's what he said he even said

859
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,679
his biblical name was his real name is

860
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:13,520
the truth teller like he sees himself

861
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,400
like he's the guy who's

862
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,760
going to put the stories out he's going

863
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:17,360
to make money he's telling books he's

864
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,840
telling

865
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:20,000
fictional stuff he's the storyteller and

866
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,440
these guys are using him

867
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:22,880
they're going through hollywood that's

868
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,480
what they said to chris bledsoe because

869
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:26,159
i knew what was going on with tom delong

870
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:27,679
i knew about jim semivan and all these

871
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,159
guys

872
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:29,760
eight months before they went public

873
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:31,360
because i knew chris bledsoe i was good

874
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:32,640
friends with chris bledsoe for many

875
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:33,120
years

876
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,559
and he was sort of telling me a little

877
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:36,720
bit what was going on and

878
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:41,039
um so they they they had all this stuff

879
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:45,039
and they they they put it out

880
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,559
i knew they were going to put it out

881
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:48,000
they did exactly what they were going to

882
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,320
do

883
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,559
and i was not really surprised by

884
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,000
anything they did

885
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,039
and uh so that's basically the the

886
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:57,120
the thing that it's a it's a gradual

887
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,640
disclosure thing everybody's making

888
00:27:00,390 --> 00:27:00,000
money everybody's doing their sort of

889
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,400
thing

890
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,880
and that's what semiband when semiband

891
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,880
had his experience when he went to

892
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,720
pandolfe and pendolf he wouldn't tell

893
00:27:09,669 --> 00:27:08,640
him what was going on when he got out he

894
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:09,679
went to chris bledsoe i don't know if

895
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:10,640
you know the story he went to chris

896
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,360
bledsoe

897
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:13,120
and he said i was not allowed i knew

898
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:14,559
about you i was not allowed to talk to

899
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,679
you until i retired

900
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:17,039
then he went to chris blasso's birthday

901
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:18,880
party became friends with chris bledsoe

902
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,760
and he went to tom delong and he said

903
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,600
this is my friend chris butzo i want you

904
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,039
to take his story to hollywood and i

905
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:26,799
want you to make it happen

906
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,240
that's where chris started to move into

907
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,240
hollywood and then

908
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:32,320
he broke off from tom delong but that's

909
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:33,520
the whole deal is they've got these

910
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,159
stories

911
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:36,240
they moved them through tom long makes

912
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:37,919
money these people make money

913
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,760
uh everybody's got their thing going and

914
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,039
they're getting the story out

915
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:43,120
they're still like cia nobody ever

916
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,640
leaves the cia even

917
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:46,559
jim stevens still under contract as far

918
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,399
as i know with the cia

919
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,720
they they're doing this gradual same as

920
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,399
bill moore when bill moore did it they

921
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:54,720
brought this guy was the head of uh

922
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,360
covert ops for for russia they brought

923
00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:59,039
him out of retirement to run the program

924
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:00,240
so they know how it works

925
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,320
bill moore worked for the cia bill moore

926
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:03,760
had done work for the cia

927
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,440
when he was at university james jimmy

928
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,760
shandera who got the mj 12 document had

929
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:11,279
worked for the cia during the vietnam

930
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,919
war we

931
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,760
i mean it's all these connections it's

932
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:15,679
indirectly guys you trust you're moving

933
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,520
the stories and everybody thinks it's a

934
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:19,120
it's a ufo story whatever they don't

935
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:20,640
realize there's all these moving parts

936
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:21,600
in behind

937
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,960
and this stuff isn't coming out

938
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:24,799
accidentally and that

939
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,440
it's like a big show and these guys know

940
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,799
exactly what they've been doing

941
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:30,399
they've been dropping this for years and

942
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,600
i think they're doing a really good job

943
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:32,640
i think they they know what they're

944
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,440
doing

945
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:35,679
and uh they have moved it you've gotten

946
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:36,720
to the situation

947
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,799
where the u.s government has admitted

948
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,799
ufos are real and we're studying them

949
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,320
i mean that you have to give them credit

950
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:44,080
for whatever you say about them they

951
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,679
move that story and i believe it was

952
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:47,919
semi-van and i believe it was melon who

953
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,320
moved that story through the cia

954
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,399
that's what jim part of semivan's job

955
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:54,320
was was this pr thing he has an english

956
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,880
degree

957
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,880
he he's the guy that knows how to move

958
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:58,080
in behind the scenes

959
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,600
with voice of america and stuff like

960
00:29:02,789 --> 00:29:01,600
that and make these deals and

961
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:02,799
people got to realize there's all these

962
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:04,640
things going on behind the scenes in

963
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:05,760
this story

964
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,559
now 2020 we've just got two minutes left

965
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:10,240
uh grant again thank you for the

966
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:11,440
conversation

967
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:14,799
uh here we are we expected uh

968
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,720
other things to happen over the last two

969
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:18,880
and a half years going into three years

970
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:22,159
uh 2020 has now uh

971
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:24,720
has its own set of media coverage that

972
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:25,600
is

973
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,480
it's bearing anything out there it

974
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:30,159
doesn't have to be ufos it could be

975
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:31,360
sports or music

976
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:34,480
all stories are buried these days um

977
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:39,120
is is the ufo subject in disclosure part

978
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:40,000
of

979
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,320
going to be able to

980
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:46,880
move things forward in 2020 or do we

981
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:48,080
have to wait

982
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:52,399
once again for next year to 2020 2021

983
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,520
well i think you're going to wait

984
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,600
because my understanding is that they're

985
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:57,120
going to use hollywood there's not going

986
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,000
to be

987
00:30:01,510 --> 00:30:00,000
you know semi-van coming out may

988
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,520
statement they're using this

989
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,840
fictional version and hollywood is shut

990
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:05,440
down i mean so they're not really doing

991
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:06,559
anything now

992
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:09,279
and so uh like all the series and stuff

993
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:10,000
like that

994
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,919
i think there's a delay same as i

995
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:13,520
remember when tom delong

996
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,640
went because i knew they were going to

997
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,960
drop this thing and then tom delong even

998
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,240
two days before they dropped the new

999
00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:20,320
york times thing he said he put up

1000
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:23,679
a facebook or an instagram post he said

1001
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:26,559
oh another delay and even it sounded

1002
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:28,080
like tom delonge didn't believe it was

1003
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,799
going to draw

1004
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,799
so he really didn't have control over it

1005
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:32,320
but it's this hollywood thing and the

1006
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,360
guy told me

1007
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,520
uh you know they wanted penned all feed

1008
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,720
they didn't want to do this the

1009
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,200
the firmage thing he said uh i told pen

1010
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:40,799
dolphy we want you to go on camera and

1011
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:42,159
tell us what's going on they're not

1012
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,760
interested in joe furniture or anything

1013
00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:45,200
but i know they're in behind the scenes

1014
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,240
they're trying to move this thing and

1015
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,679
you see all these series i mean how many

1016
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:49,360
there used to be like one ufo show a

1017
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,799
year now it's like every

1018
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:53,120
day there's a ufo there's piles of stuff

1019
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,000
they're moving this

1020
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:56,159
this uh this story along and i think

1021
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,519
they're doing a pretty good job at it

1022
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,440
now where can everybody go and get the

1023
00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:01,679
new book right now

1024
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,000
uh amazon i guess is where you'd go and

1025
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,760
i've got a link on my facebook grant

1026
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:06,960
cameron facebook site

1027
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,039
where you can read the first uh couple

1028
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,880
of chapters where i explain

1029
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:12,399
contact modalities what i believe is

1030
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:14,000
going on in terms of

1031
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:15,919
uh how these contact models work so

1032
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:18,399
there's probably 50 pages of

1033
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,640
material they can read that explains it

1034
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:22,399
we'll get all of that up in

1035
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,399
uh twitter and social media for you

1036
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:26,080
grant once again

1037
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:28,240
great conversation my friend and i can't

1038
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,679
wait till november

1039
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:31,440
we'll break some bread we're gonna go do

1040
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:32,960
some sky watching

1041
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:35,360
uh with pastrami sandwiches thank you so

1042
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:36,320
much

1043
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:39,840
grant cameron grant uh be safe up there

1044
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,799
okay

1045
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:43,360
honor thank you you got it grant cameron

1046
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:44,799
just went pulled a poll

1047
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,440
i gotta go straight to credits here what

1048
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:49,519
a great conversation and i do want to

1049
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,880
remind everybody

1050
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:53,279
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